Did the Brzezinsky phrase about the new world order in the ruins of Russia spoke?

“The new world order will be built against Russia, on the ruins of Russia and at the expense of Russia” - for several decades, these words, allegedly spoken by Zbignev Brzezinsky, serve as Runet users an illustration of anti -Russian policy and threats of the West. We checked whether Brzezinsky really said this.

The quote from Zbignev Brzezinsky about the new world order in the ruins of Russia has been circulating for years in the Russian media, Russian -speaking blogs and social networks ("Channel One", Esquire, "Business Gazeta", Livejournal, Facebook). You can find several options for this quote: some Sources They talk about the world order in general, someone clarifiesThat the hegemony of the United States will be built on the ruins of Russia.

Zbignnev Brzezinsky was an American diplomat of Polish descent, National Security Advisor to US President Jimmy Carter (1977–1981), author Numerous books and articles, including Russia. Brzezinsky died in May 2017 at the age of 89.

In an article about Brzezinsky, released the day after his death, the Russian edition of Esquire magazine Curses The diplomat with an indication of the original source: “This is what he wrote in his famous book“ The Great Chess Board ”(published in 1997):“ The new world order will be built against Russia, in the ruins of Russia and at the expense of Russia. We destroyed the Soviet Union, destroy and Russia. You have no chances. ” Search for quote in The full text of the book According to the keywords “Against Russia” (“Against Russia”), “On the Ruins of Russia” (“On the ruins of Russia”) and “At the Expense of Russia” (“due to Russia”) did not give results. IN translation of the book In Russian, too, it was not possible to find such phrases. On the contrary, in the book Brzezinsky writes: “For them (USA and Germany. - Approx. Ed.) Impulse to expansion - political, historical and creative. This impulse is not guided by neither hostility to Russia, nor fear of it, nor the desire to isolate it. ”

In English, this quote is found in only three sources: translated Articles "Komsomolskaya Pravda" in the English -speaking blog (2013), c book Russian writer Russia is in a state of Ferment Again (2019) and in the English version of the Russian site On astrology and numerology Marbellamar (2020). In Runet, this phrase began to spread much earlier.

For example, in 2011, the host of the Channel One program “However” Mikhail Leontyev He mentioned Another common version of the origin of the quote: supposedly Brzezinsky uttered these words during his speech in Lviv in 1999 on the occasion of the assignment of an honorary citizen of Lviv. According to Leontyev, the full quote sounded like this: “Ukraine for us is the outpost of the West. The new world order in the US hegemony is created against Russia, at the expense of Russia and on the wreckage of Russia ... ”However, first, in 1999, Brzezinsky was not in Lviv-he I visited it in 1998. Secondly, this quote is not in stenigram That 1998 speech, published in Ukrainian in an independent journal ї.

But in the publication of the newspaper "Duel" for 1999, it was possible to find article With the heading “Brzezinsky, the Little Russians”, telling about the very solemn session of the City Council, where Brzezinsky was awarded with the title of Honorary Citizen Lviv. According to the commentary of the Duel, the article was originally written for the newspaper Sevastopol Pravda, Lviv journalist, colonel of the Armed Forces of the USSR Yuri Kirillov. The author, as it were, conducts a report from the scene and retells the words of Brzezinsky: “It is important that Ukraine constantly and consistently go west, because if it will neglect and not be determined as a average European state, it will be drawn into the sphere of influence of Russia. The new world order in the US hegemony is created against Russia, at the expense of Russia and on the wreckage of Russia. Ukraine for us is the outpost of the West against the restoration of the Soviet Union. ”

Further, Kirillov writes that the conclusions and instructions of Brzezinsky were "enthusiastically perceived by the radical nationalists." “Their common opinion was expressed at the session of the Lviv City Council by deputy Yaroslav Lemik:“ It is a pity that we have no authority to award the number one title of honorary citizen of Ukraine to the anti -Soviet, ”Kirillov ends the article. It is worth noting that the reliability of the words of the deputy of the Lviv city council Yaroslav Lemic It also causes doubts: the search for quotes on the Internet did not give out a single result, except for links to the article of Kirillov itself.

We tried to contact the editors of Sevastopol Pravda to find out whether the article with the heading “Brzezinsky is the Little Russians” was released in the 1999 room. We have not received the answer to the request yet. Thus, it is difficult to determine whether the journalist Yuri Kirillov was present at that solemn session of the 1998 City Council and which publication for the first time published the non -existent “quote” by Brzezinsky: “Sevastopol Pravda” or “duel”.

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